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Authorstar Start time2010-8-11 11:57 How to smash Carrier?



USS George Washington aircraft carrier





Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said on Thursday local time that the US will send the USS George Washington supercarrier, which participated in last month's joint drills between the US and the ROK in the Sea of Japan, to the Yellow Sea for their upcoming exercise.





He did not give specific dates for the exercise in the Yellow Sea and the Sea of Japan, but the Associated Press said he was referring to the joint annual exercise named "Ulchi Freedom Guardian" scheduled for Aug 16 to 26.





"China will definitely react harshly to the move. It's hard to predict its specific reaction, but that will for sure cast a shadow over Sino-US military relations," said Rear Admiral Yang Yi, former head of strategic studies at the People's Liberation Army's National Defense University.







Anti-ship missiles a big threat for carriers







China's DF-21C missiles





According to Associated Press Aug 5, China is developing Dong Feng 21-D anti-ship ballistic missiles (ASBM), which is capable of destroying the most advanced defense system of aircraft carriers from nearly 2,000 miles away. It's reported that China's DF-21D is a game changing weapon in the Asia-Pacific.





Meanwhile, US intelligence agencies point out besides DF-21D, US aircraft carriers also face threats from land-based fighters and conventional warship equipped with anti-ship missiles.







China's J-10 fighter







China's Xiandai-class Destroyer





According to US Defense News, the number of China's anti-ship missiles could be regarded as a big threat to any anti-missile system. It's reported that PLA's Su-30, J-10 and "Flying leopard" fighters are all able to be equipped with long-rang anti-ship missiles with a rang of up to 100 kilometers.





US Diplomat magazine says the operational radius of China's advanced fighters reach 900 nautical miles, of which attack can cover "the first island chain". Their combat range can be also extended through air refuelling.





Besides, PLA Navy's warships are also reported to be equipped with kinds of medium and long-range anti-ship missiles. Thee SS-N-22 'Sunburn' super sonic anti-ship missile, which equips China Xiandai-class Destroyer, is a typical example.







Special torpedoes worry US military





China's Shang class submarine





In recent years, US media have been playing up the threat from China's submarines to US military. Meanwhile, US is also worrying about advanced weapons in China's submarines.





US media say China's submarines are equipped with advanced wake homing torpedoes, which are a key technology to reduce endurance loss and increase hit probability.





Taiwan's media also reveal that China's submarines are equipped with Russia's "Blizzard" Supercavitating torpedoes, of which the speed is four times as that of normal torpedoes. It's reported that no other weapons could contain this kind of torpedo.







System countermeasures







USS Enterprise aircraft carrier





Facts prove that it's easier to deprive an aircraft carrier of its combat capability by destroying its deck and commanding communication system. If an aircraft carrier loses combat capability, other war ships in the fleet cannot play a role. Attack on a carrier could result in huge casualty, which could cause strategy-level influence.





The Pentagon says US carriers are only a highly valuable target under the attack of long-range accurate weapons. It's unimaginable to risk dispatching carriers with over 5000 troops to war zones.





According to Chinese military experts, it's easy to be under attack when a carrier fleet alone moves to the enemy's coastline , because the fleet will combat beyond the support of the whole system of weapons, surveillance and intelligence to some extent. In the real battle, US carriers usually gain support from naval and air force nearby and keep close communication with the whole system of command and control through satellites.





Meanwhile, US military thinks DF-21D could hit targets with the support of satellites and early warning aircraft. Therefore, to counteract the attack of DF-21D on carriers, support from other armed services are highly needed, such as stealth fighters and anti-satellite missiles which are capable of destroying the intelligence support for DF-21D.





What is the Ace in the hole to smash carriers?



Poll Options ( multiple choice: choose no more than 5 options ) Number of participants 25



1. DF-21D ASBM 13 (24.53%)



2. Land-based fighters with anti-ship missiles 7 (13.21%)



3. Warships with anti-ship missiles 6 (11.32%)



4. Submarines with special torpedoes. 10 (18.87%)



5. Anti-satellite weapons. 6 (11.32%)



6. All the above 4 (7.55%)



7. Others 3 (5.66%)



8. Unclear 4 (7.55%)













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koonwoon 2010-8-11 17:33 1# Edit Quote How to Smash Carrier

A comprehensive attack should be launched. This include DF-21 missiles, anti-satellite missiles, submarines and special torpedos, land-based missiles, attack aircrafts, and missile speedboats and even nuclear tipped missiles if everything else fail. Forgive me of being alarmist, this is the way the US plays throughout its history of world conquest. We must clip its ability to make war once and for all for the good of the world. Philosophical freedom depends on a very unpleasant chore that we must perform here. Historically, look at the last time the US occupied Peking. Do you want that to happen again? The choice is clear. Do or die!zedereza 2010-8-12 05:18 2# Quote reply to koonwoon

First off it was not the US who hoisted flags in peking it was the british and french. Secondly I am an American i know of noone who wants war with China it would be terrible for both of us. Both countries need each other. Most of our products come from China and it makes you alot of money let alone jobs. I will say that the exercise over there was a rediculous show to north korea that served little to no point. But the same can be said about bragging about ways to take a carrier down(there's hundreds). The main point is both countries should find ways to better relations rather than find ways to put up walls.koonwoon 2010-8-12 16:46 3# Edit Quote how to smash carrier - reply to reply

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Original posted by zedereza at 2010-8-12 05:18

First off it was not the US who hoisted flags in peking it was the british and french. Secondly I am an American i know of noone who wants war with China it would be terrible for both of us. Both coun ... Let me say sir, that the U.S. falsifies history or is mum about it. I was in China as a boy when tactical nuclear strikes were constant a threat from the US. I been to the US for 50 years and I never feel accepted as good as a White American. Thirdly, given the rest of the containment moves by the US, the carrier is definitely a strategic threat to China. Basically, sir, the U.S. is prepared to kill the lender (China) rather than to pay back its debts. The hypocrisy of the United States is easy to see outside of the United States, the Common Market, and its puppet governements. And lastly, sir, if you are peace-loving, why do you spend 1/2 of the world's total military budget, to the point that your civilian population are homeless? [ I have been homeless in the United States and I have been illegally evicted out of public housing for advocating the rights of Chinese immigrants]. You may need us but we don't need you, sir. We only need you if we want a wasteful standard and genocide behavior as a way of life. I have studied you from the inside belly of the beast. You cannot lie to me.